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2:18 pm
June 10, 2010
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nooblet0218
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I'm trying to recreate this problem consistently but at the moment it seems to be completely random. That can't be though, there has to be method to this madness…
Sometimes someones "talk duration" (the time they push their mic down to the time they let go) will just not come through my audio, however the received bytes counter at the top will increase as if everything was normal. The thing is this only happens sometimes… other times everything will be normal and i'll hear everything. I'd say the problem has about a 20 percent occurrence rate.
Anyone have any idea? this is pretty strange and it bugs me since the problem doesn't occur in Ventrilo running through wine (but ventrilo in wine has it's own problem, like i need to have it selected for my push to talk to work and what not).
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2:20 pm
June 10, 2010
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Haxar
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You didn't say what sound system you're using…
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1:23 am
June 11, 2010
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nooblet0218
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Post edited 9:15 am – June 11, 2010 by nooblet0218
ah i'm completely sorry. I'm using ALSA through a logitech usb headset.
but i've been messing around with it, and i've changed the sound system plugin to all the other ones (PulseAudio, OSS, etc) and i still get the same problem it seems. Even though it looks like OSS does it the least, might just be luck though
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3:58 am
June 13, 2010
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nooblet0218
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even after a fresh install of lucid lynx i still get the same problem, really frustrating me since i'm forced to use ventrilo
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4:01 am
June 13, 2010
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econnell
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I use a logitech USB headset on Ubuntu 10.04 and I do not have this problem at all. If you're using Ubuntu and you have PulseAudio, you should only use the PulseAudio subsystem.
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4:03 am
June 13, 2010
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Haxar
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Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx uses PulseAudio by default. In your Mangler settings, you should have your audio subsystem set to it.
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11:58 pm
June 13, 2010
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nooblet0218
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yeah i downgraded to mangler 1.1 and using pulse audio it seems that the problem is gone. cheers!
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12:03 am
June 14, 2010
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econnell
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2:25 am
June 15, 2010
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nooblet0218
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Mangler 1.1.20100227 (SVN)
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11:41 pm
June 19, 2010
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nooblet0218
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i updated to the new mangler (1.2.0) for kicks and it works fine, i'm guessing if it was a legitimate bug it was fixed
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11:47 pm
June 19, 2010
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Haxar
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Post edited 3:53 am – June 20, 2010 by Haxar
There was no such bug.
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4:11 am
June 27, 2010
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Hogmeister
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Post edited 8:32 am – June 27, 2010 by Hogmeister
i'm using 1.2.0 currently using kubuntu 10.04 (lucid lynx) and i have this very problem, i'll see their "i'm talking" icon appear to change and become green and i'll receive nothing. sometimes if they're talking in the middle of the transmission it just stops.. then if they continue talkign for a long duration it picks back up, but unlike ventrilo in windows it doesnt just pile all of it on real fast, it just picks back up where they're currently at.. almost like it just drops a large portion of what they're saying out of the stream.
like i said, using kubuntu 10.04 (LL), audio system set to ALSA or OSS both of them do it. i'm using a logitech G330 usb headset.. works fine transmitting but receiving it just drops out randomly, pretty frustrating but i'm dealing w/ it.
uhhhh as far as pulseaudio goes i dont know if kubuntu doesnt install it by default but i dont have it anywhere on my system, its a fairly plain install of kubuntu. any suggestions? if i change it to pulse in mangler i get nothing at all, as i expected because i've got no traces of pulse on my system.
EDIT: i just wanted to edit the post to say that i dont genuinely believe this is a mangler problem more so a configuration problem on my part w/ oss or alsa… i just went about setting up pulseaudio and got that working on my system, so now its a matter of needing to listen to someone talk (noones around currently)
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1:24 am
July 23, 2010
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I *have* been able to replicate it.. It happens on both my Ubuntu 9.10 install on my desktop and my Fedora 12 install on my laptop. There's no sound when one person starts transmitting while another person transmits. Normally doesn't happen just because most of the time people aren't transmitting at the same time… But, without fail, it happens when they do.
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1:38 am
July 23, 2010
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econnell
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You must not be using PulseAudio. If you're on Ubuntu or Fedora, you should be using PulseAudio. If you've intentionally broken your distribution, we can't help you.
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9:59 pm
July 27, 2010
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Hogmeister
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as far as breaking the distro goes, when i installed kubuntu 10.04 it didn't even come w/ pulse i had to set it up myself. after i got it setup mangler works fine though
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2:13 am
July 28, 2010
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econnell
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Hogmeister said:
as far as breaking the distro goes, when i installed kubuntu 10.04 it didn't even come w/ pulse i had to set it up myself. after i got it setup mangler works fine though
Sorry. Yeah, I was talking to the other guy (imperialeagle79) that was on Ubuntu and/or Fedora. Kubuntu users will either need to configure ALSA or install PulseAudio.
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6:38 pm
January 20, 2011
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silentblue1987
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The interupted audio problem is confirmed with Fedora 14's alsa audio.
I confirmed this on my ventrilo server, all I had to do was ask a buddy of mine to transmit his music over the channel. I hear the music just fine, but everyone else is just the sound of queing the mic, no voice. Administratively mute my friend broadcasting the music and I can hear everyone again.
If anyone knows a simple configuration or hack to fix this please share it.
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6:45 pm
January 20, 2011
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econnell
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If you're using ALSA and you're not using either the "Default" device or your own custom device that has mixing enabled, you'll see this problem. Mangler does not do mixing internally and accessing the hardware device directly (by selecting that device in the list) will only allow one audio stream to play at a time unless your device has a hardware mixer, which most do not.
The solution is to create a custom ALSA device that has mixing enabled. As for how to do that, I have no clue since I personally use PulseAudio.
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8:01 pm
January 20, 2011
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This is a very interesting situation.. turns out Alsa supplies Pulse's server so having pulse means you have alsa, just cant see it..
As for making a custom device in Alsa that has mixing.. searched around and there seems to be no easy fix for that, or documentation.
I set mangler to use pulse just out of curiosity (pulse was already installed but used alsa instead). Even though the device itself was using alsa's driver the switch in mangler fixed the problem o_O.
as for the solution, install gnome-media-apps on fedora 14 to get access to the gstreamer-properties command
tell gstreamer to use pulse on the device you want until alsa implements a proper fix.
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8:28 pm
January 20, 2011
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econnell
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Post edited 2:34 am – January 21, 2011 by econnell
silentblue1987 said:
This is a very interesting situation.. turns out Alsa supplies Pulse's server so having pulse means you have alsa, just cant see it..
As for making a custom device in Alsa that has mixing.. searched around and there seems to be no easy fix for that, or documentation.
I set mangler to use pulse just out of curiosity (pulse was already installed but used alsa instead). Even though the device itself was using alsa's driver the switch in mangler fixed the problem o_O.
as for the solution, install gnome-media-apps on fedora 14 to get access to the gstreamer-properties command
tell gstreamer to use pulse on the device you want until alsa implements a proper fix.
There is no fix to be made. This is simply how it works.
As I said above, "If you're on Ubuntu or Fedora, you should be using PulseAudio." Unless you've uninstalled PulseAudio and properly configured ALSA, you're going to have serious problems trying to use the ALSA audio subsystem in Mangler. There is absolutely no reason to do this. PulseAudio is supported natively in Mangler. Even if you hate PulseAudio to death and want to see it die in a pit of fire, if you're using it on your system, you should select that option in Mangler.
If you have uninstalled PulseAudio on either of those distributions, you've intentionally broken your sound system. There are ways to use ALSA or OSS on either of those distributions, but I won't support it. If you're smart enough to realize that you don't like PulseAudio, you're smart enough to configure ALSA. You'll need to find an ALSA or OSS support forum or chat room.
I don't mean for this to sound rude and I completely understand that audio in Linux is a nightmare. But I just wanted to make a definitive statement on this topic. I'm well aware that this Linux audio disaster isn't understood by most people, so please don't take offense.
Or, for future readers, this is as clear as I can make it:
If you have PulseAudio installed on your system (it's the default in Ubuntu and Fedora), and you do not have PulseAudio selected as the audio subsystem in Mangler's settings (Audio tab -> first drop down box), you are doing it wrong and you're going to cause yourself problems and headaches.
If you're more visually oriented: http://www.mangler.org/forums/…..questions/
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