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6:41 pm
April 10, 2011


dist1

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Any thought on making Mangler or a Ventrilo Program for the Blackberry Platform? Not sure if its even possible or not but a couple of people i know have requested a Ventrilo program for Blackberry.

 

Thanks Justin

9:49 pm
April 10, 2011


econnell

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Post edited 1:50 am – April 11, 2011 by econnell


heh… uhhhh… no

 

3:55 pm
August 4, 2011


Polonaise

Texas

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Pretty please?

4:36 pm
August 4, 2011


econnell

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I just got off the phone with RIM after spending about 15 minutes on hold.  Basically, they could not find anyone to tell me what their "AppWorld" terms of use were.  As such, there is no hope ever for a client on RIM devices.  You'd think they'd be falling over trying to get developers on their platform…. but yeah…. not so much.

I actually tried pretty hard to get to someone that could talk to me about it.  Screw 'em.  It definitely won't come from this team and if someone else ever makes it happen, then I'll determine the licensing issues.

6:22 pm
August 4, 2011


Polonaise

Texas

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econnell said:

I just got off the phone with RIM after spending about 15 minutes on hold.  Basically, they could not find anyone to tell me what their "AppWorld" terms of use were.  As such, there is no hope ever for a client on RIM devices.  You'd think they'd be falling over trying to get developers on their platform…. but yeah…. not so much.

I actually tried pretty hard to get to someone that could talk to me about it.  Screw 'em.  It definitely won't come from this team and if someone else ever makes it happen, then I'll determine the licensing issues.


http://us.blackberry.com/legal…..nglish.pdf

 

You don't have to upload to AppWorld, you can simply host it here.

10:47 pm
August 4, 2011


econnell

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Post edited 11:06 pm – August 4, 2011 by econnell


Unless I'm reading it completely wrong that link says very specifically that they do not allow GPL applications.  Section 2 (f) says:



You may distribute any Distributable Code provided that You shall: (i) add significant primary functionality to it in Your Applications; (ii) distribute such code  in executable form only; (iii) include the following copyright notice within Your Application's source code in the same locations as Your own copyright notice (and if You do not include a copyright notice, then at least on one of the packaging, manuals or "about" box): "Portions copyright (c) 2002-2011 Research In Motion Limited.  All rights reserved."; (iv) not provide a separate price for or charge a license fee or royalty for the Distributable Code distinct from the fee You charge for Your Applications; and (v) not distribute, link or integrate the Distributable Code such that any part of it becomes subject to an Open Source License.  In addition You shall require users of Your Applications to agree to the following minimum license terms applicable to the Distributable Code: (A) the license granted is a non-exclusive, terminable license for user to use the Distributable Code only on or in conjunction with Your Application; (B) except for the limited license to use the Distributable Code on or in conjunction with Your Application, the user acquires no intellectual property or other proprietary rights, including, without limitation, patents, designs, trademarks, copyright or rights in any confidential information in or related to the Distributable Code; (C) Reverse Engineering the Distributable Code is prohibited, except to the extent that You are expressly precluded by law from imposing such restrictions; (D) the user must cease all use of the Distributable Code within a reasonable period of time following expiration or termination of the license agreement; (E) RIM, specifically, or as one of Your suppliers, shall not be liable to user for any damages whatsoever; (F) the user shall import, export, re-export and use the Distributable Code only in accordance with the laws and regulations of the of the country(ies) and/or territory(ies) in which the Distributable Code is used, imported, exported and/or re-exported; (G) You make no warranties, express or implied, related to the Distributable Code on RIM's behalf to users of the Applications that include Distributable Code; and (H) the user shall not alter any copyright, trademark or patent notice in the Distributable Code.  For the purposes of this Agreement, an "Open Source License" is any license which requires, as a condition of use, modification, and/or  distribution of any software subject to such license that such software or other software incorporated into, integrated with, derived from  and/or distributed with such software be: (1) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (2) licensed for the purposes of making modifications or derivative works; (3) permitted to be Reverse Engineered; (4) reproduced and/or redistributed at no or minimal charge; and/or (5) used only for non-commercial purposes You may distribute any Distributable Code provided that You shall: (i) add significant primary functionality to it in Your Applications; (ii) distribute such code  in executable form only; (iii) include the following copyright notice within Your Application's source code in the same locations as Your own copyright notice (and if You do not include a copyright notice, then at least on one of the packaging, manuals or "about" box): "Portions copyright (c) 2002-2011 Research In Motion Limited.  All rights reserved."; (iv) not provide a separate price for or charge a license fee or royalty for the Distributable Code distinct from the fee You charge for Your Applications; and (v) not distribute, link or integrate the Distributable Code such that any part of it becomes subject to an Open Source License.  In addition You shall require users of Your Applications to agree to the following minimum license terms applicable to the Distributable Code: (A) the license granted is a non-exclusive, terminable license for user to use the Distributable Code only on or in conjunction with Your Application; (B) except for the limited license to use the Distributable Code on or in conjunction with Your Application, the user acquires no intellectual property or other proprietary rights, including, without limitation, patents, designs, trademarks, copyright or rights in any confidential information in or related to the Distributable Code; (C) Reverse Engineering the Distributable Code is prohibited, except to the extent that You are expressly precluded by law from imposing such restrictions; (D) the user must cease all use of the Distributable Code within a reasonable period of time following expiration or termination of the license agreement; (E) RIM, specifically, or as one of Your suppliers, shall not be liable to user for any damages whatsoever; (F) the user shall import, export, re-export and use the Distributable Code only in accordance with the laws and regulations of the of the country(ies) and/or territory(ies) in which the Distributable Code is used, imported, exported and/or re-exported; (G) You make no warranties, express or implied, related to the Distributable Code on RIM's behalf to users of the Applications that include Distributable Code; and (H) the user shall notalter any copyright, trademark or patent notice in the Distributable Code.  For the purposes of this Agreement, an "Open SourceLicense" is any license which requires, as a condition of use, modification, and/or  distribution of any software subject to such license that such software or other software incorporated into, integrated with, derived from  and/or distributed with such software be: (1) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (2) licensed for the purposes of making modifications or derivative works; (3) permitted to be Reverse Engineered; (4) reproduced and/or redistributed at no or minimal charge; and/or (5) used only for non-commercial purposes

 

There's so much wrong with this clause that I don't even know where to begin.

1:30 am
August 7, 2011


Polonaise

Texas

Member

posts 6

Thanks for bringing my attention to that part; I didn't realize they changed their attitude towards open source programs.

3:50 am
August 28, 2011


x3464

New Member

posts 1

To my knowledge you can simply host a JAR file on mangler.org and people can just access it via their Blackberry.

No need for an "AppWorld".

 

An example of this being done is here:

http://www.bbtracker.org/wiki/Install

4:00 am
August 29, 2011


clearscreen

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posts 48

Post edited 4:00 am – August 29, 2011 by clearscreen


If we were to write such an app, despite the licensing issues, it would probably exclusively have to be for the PlayBook.

 

Apparently no NDK is available for other devices than the Playbook and we are certainly not rewriting libventrilo in Java :)


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